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The Rev. Dr. Bruce Havens is currently serving as senior pastor of Arlington Congregational UCC in Jacksonville; he is also co-President of ICARE, the Interfaith Coalition for Action Reconciliation and Empowerment. Hear him and Phillip discuss the ongoing COVID pandemic, Sheriff Mike Williams’s failure to respond to ICARE’s request to meet to discuss intervention training for JSO, and the eroding value of Truth under the Trump administration.